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6 Piston Wilwood UPDATE!!
« on: April 02, 2020, 12:31:55 pm »
So late last year @aaron240 and I announced that we were working together to bring a set of 6 piston Wilwood calipers to the SHO market, and after some roadblocks and adjustments we finally have an installed and road worthy product!

Due to our Shelter in Place order in Oklahoma, I've only driven the car about 20 miles since the install, but plan to get some more miles on it today and get some testing.

After several Dragy attempts, my best 60-0 on stock 2013 PP brakes was 2.75 seconds. I wanted to get some numbers with the R1Concepts kit before installing the calipers, but it just didn't happen. Hopefully we'll see that from @Jordan_R soon since he just installed his a few weeks back as well.

We will be offering this in a few different options, but still working on final pricing:

Option 1 - Calipers, BP-20 front pads, Adapters, and SS Lines

Option 2 - Calipers, front and rear pads, adapters, and SS lines

Option 3 - Calipers, front and rear rotors, front and rear pads, adapters, and SS lines

This kit is setup to work with the factory 13.9" rotor dimensions, so any aftermarket rotors will be feasible. We're testing with R1Concepts slotted rotors with their Ceramic pads in the rear, but still working on defining a rear pad that is spec'd well with the friction coefficient of the front pads. While I would recommend Ceramics for track use, I am having no issues so far on the street.

Any questions, feel free to ask. We are working a on pricing discount to do a group buy for the first order, so stay tuned for final pricing!
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Re: 6 Piston Wilwood UPDATE!!
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2020, 03:31:44 pm »
Looks great! Would love to put a set on my Flex
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Re: 6 Piston Wilwood UPDATE!!
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2020, 05:46:49 pm »
This is awesome!
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Re: 6 Piston Wilwood UPDATE!!
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2020, 07:26:48 pm »
Wouldn't this require an upgraded master cylinder as well?
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Re: 6 Piston Wilwood UPDATE!!
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2020, 11:59:44 pm »
Wouldn't this require an upgraded master cylinder as well?

No sir, we did a lot of design work and FEA analysis to ensure the surface area was the same only clamping force was improved.

Drove it again today and she feels great, but had my son with me so couldnt get too squirrely.
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Re: 6 Piston Wilwood UPDATE!!
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2020, 07:47:12 pm »
This setup designed for use with stock rotor sizes? Or will it require or even be able to use a larger diameter rotor? Surface area just as important as clamping force!
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Re: 6 Piston Wilwood UPDATE!!
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2020, 12:24:18 am »
This setup designed for use with stock rotor sizes? Or will it require or even be able to use a larger diameter rotor? Surface area just as important as clamping force!

The bracket is designed for stock rotor size. The caliper can be used for up to a 15" rotor, but between the added cost of material and the rotor itself you're looking another $500 for not much added stopping power.
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Re: 6 Piston Wilwood UPDATE!!
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2020, 11:24:52 am »
So when would these be available?

Prices for various packages you mentioned?

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Re: 6 Piston Wilwood UPDATE!!
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2020, 02:21:07 am »
So when would these be available?

Prices for various packages you mentioned?

Given everything going on, I haven't been driving the car near as much as usual (I usually drive 100+ miles a day, but I'm still at half a tank since March 16th). As soon as I can get some aggressive braking checks and measure the changes from stock and then check everything over to ensure no warping or degredation, we'll be releasing final pricing and working on an initial group buy to try to lower costs.
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Re: 6 Piston Wilwood UPDATE!!
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2020, 03:23:23 pm »
So when would these be available?

Prices for various packages you mentioned?

Given everything going on, I haven't been driving the car near as much as usual (I usually drive 100+ miles a day, but I'm still at half a tank since March 16th). As soon as I can get some aggressive braking checks and measure the changes from stock and then check everything over to ensure no warping or degredation, we'll be releasing final pricing and working on an initial group buy to try to lower costs.

Fair enough! Thanks!
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Re: 6 Piston Wilwood UPDATE!!
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2020, 12:57:30 am »
Hey guys, so quick update. I spoke with my supplier and they are offering an additional incentive if we can get 15-20 sets sold, so I am working up some final pricing, install guides, etc. to be able to do the official launch.

I pulled everything off today to inspect and review, had no issues, bolts were still tight with 242 blue loctite,

We have also spoken with the machine shop producing the adapters and they have offered to toss in free black anodizing on our bulk orders to help with corrosion.

I'll be preparing the final release with pricing, 60-0 comparisons between stock and the Wilwood upgrade, and more shortly.

Any questions, feel free to discuss!
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Re: 6 Piston Wilwood UPDATE!!
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2020, 01:00:09 am »
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Re: 6 Piston Wilwood UPDATE!!
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2020, 01:38:19 am »
Best of luck with the group buy!
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Re: 6 Piston Wilwood UPDATE!!
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2020, 02:34:40 pm »
Wouldn't this require an upgraded master cylinder as well?

Depends on the year and which calipers are used.  The Aero 6 (what is designed here) has a caliper that is nearly identical to the stock 2x 47.5mm pistons.  Using the 2013+ cars (or converted 10-12 cars) would yield nearly identical brake feel. 

The 10-12 cars with stock master cylinder could utilize one of the Aero 4 calipers with the larger brake rotors (the piston area equates nearly identical to going from the early to late master cylinder size)

The pad area of the 150mm long pad on the Aero calipers are essentially the same as on the 2013+ stock brakes.

I am very interested in what the price is going to be, but also interested if the possibility of buying just brackets is an option.  Either way, I hope this gets done as it's IMO the way to go.

For those wondering if upgrading to larger rotors is possible...well, it's a radial mount caliper, so just some 1" OD x 7/16" ID spacers will yield however large your heart desires (up to the 15" spec Wilwood advertises).  Just ensure the hat offset is correct.
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Re: 6 Piston Wilwood UPDATE!!
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2020, 09:56:35 pm »
Wouldn't this require an upgraded master cylinder as well?

Depends on the year and which calipers are used.  The Aero 6 (what is designed here) has a caliper that is nearly identical to the stock 2x 47.5mm pistons.  Using the 2013+ cars (or converted 10-12 cars) would yield nearly identical brake feel. 

The 10-12 cars with stock master cylinder could utilize one of the Aero 4 calipers with the larger brake rotors (the piston area equates nearly identical to going from the early to late master cylinder size)

The pad area of the 150mm long pad on the Aero calipers are essentially the same as on the 2013+ stock brakes.

I am very interested in what the price is going to be, but also interested if the possibility of buying just brackets is an option.  Either way, I hope this gets done as it's IMO the way to go.

For those wondering if upgrading to larger rotors is possible...well, it's a radial mount caliper, so just some 1" OD x 7/16" ID spacers will yield however large your heart desires (up to the 15" spec Wilwood advertises).  Just ensure the hat offset is correct.
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